In this, the very first episode of the Get out of Teaching podcast, Brett Jarman from the Experts On Air podcast network interviews Elizabeth Diacos, founder of Larksong Enterprises.
They discuss her journey out of Education and into a life she loves, and uncover some of the challenges and joys of making the transition into work that is fulfilling and meaningful, outside of Education.
We learn that Elizabeth, having struggled to transition smoothly out of Education, now helps others to make a healthy, empowered and hopeful exit out of teaching and into a life that aligns with their passion, purpose, values and priorities.
Come along for the ride as we Get out of Teaching!
You may be interested in Elizabeth's FB support group for teachers who are considering their options: https://www.facebook.com/groups/getoutofteaching/
Just make sure you answer the qualifying questions so I can add you to the group!
In this, the very first episode of the Get out of Teaching podcast, Brett Jarman from the Experts On Air podcast network interviews Elizabeth Diacos, founder of Larksong Enterprises.
They discuss her journey out of Education and into a life she loves, and uncover some of the challenges and joys of making the transition into work that is fulfilling and meaningful, outside of Education.
We learn that Elizabeth, having struggled to transition smoothly out of Education, now helps others to make a healthy, empowered and hopeful exit out of teaching and into a life that aligns with their passion, purpose, values and priorities.
Come along for the ride as we Get out of Teaching!
You may be interested in Elizabeth's FB support group for teachers who are considering their options: https://www.facebook.com/groups/getoutofteaching/
Just make sure you answer the qualifying questions so I can add you to the group!
Elizabeth Diacos 0:02
Welcome to the Get Out of Teaching Podcast presented by Larksong Enterprises. I'm your host, Elizabeth Diacos. On the show, we'll look at the who, what, why, where, when, and how of moving out of your Education career and into a life you love. We'll meet ex-teachers, delve into what we love about teaching, and how to translate that into something new. We will talk to people who can support and inspire us as we make the transition, and work on identifying the legacy we want to leave in the world. So come along for the ride as we get out of teaching.
Episode 1.
Brett Jarman 0:39
So welcome to the Get Out of Teaching Podcast. My name is not Elizabeth Diacos. My name is Brett Jarman. I'm the Executive Producer of Experts On Air. And for this particular episode, this is Episode 1 of the Get Out of Teaching Podcast, I am going to be interviewing Elizabeth, and then I'll hand over the reigns to her for the ongoing episodes. So welcome to your podcast, Elizabeth.
Elizabeth Diacos 1:02
Thanks, Brett. Thanks for hosting today.
Brett Jarman 1:04
That's all right. My pleasure. It's a, it's always a joy for me to #1 to have new people launching on our podcast network, but also to dig into their story. It's like, I love variety, I get to get to find out so many things about fields that I've got absolutely no knowledge about. So it's a joy for me. So your podcast is called Get Out of Teaching, and which is pretty self explanatory. So to... just very briefly explain what why it's called Get Out of Teaching and what it is that you do.
Elizabeth Diacos 1:36
Yeah, sure. So it's called Get Out of Teaching because essentially, I help teachers to get out of teaching, if they want to transition from their Education career into a new career. That's what I do. I'm a coach for, for teachers who want to get out of teaching. And it's kind of like, you know, what's in the can is on the lid. So...
Brett Jarman 1:57
Fair enough.
Elizabeth Diacos 1:58
That's why it's called Get Out of Teaching.
Brett Jarman 2:00
Fair enough. It amazes me all the, all the different niches that have come out for in the coaching arena over the past 10 or 20 years. And yeah, if you'd asked me 20 years ago, there would be such a thing as a Get Out of Teaching Coach, I would have thought you were nuts. But, but now it's the way in which coaching has evolved, or these things have come up, which is absolutely perfect. So would I be right and presuming Elizabeth, that you can talk about this, because you've got out of teaching yourself?
Elizabeth Diacos 2:27
That's right. So I was a teacher, I was an art teacher in a primary school for around about seven years. And then I did some other work in the Education sector, but not directly in school. So I worked a little bit at a university as a, teaching undergrad students about teaching the arts. And also I worked with Teach for Australia as a, as a coach. So I was in, in classrooms, helping the associates who were working in schools to manage their classroom environment and, you know, looking at the classroom dynamics play out and to see how we can improve the academic outcomes of their students, but also for the teacher as well for their own well being.
And that gave me a really great insight into what happens in schools, when I wasn't the person in the midst of it, you know, I was sort of one step back, able to watch on and see the dynamics play out. And for me, that was fascinating. But it also made me realize, you know, this is a really stressful job, and people bring everything to the table. And sometimes it's just, you know, not enough for, it just gets to the point where they they can't continue along that trajectory, without something needing to change.
Brett Jarman 3:43
Got it. Got it. So. So you're talking about bringing everything to the table. We'll talk about your path out of teaching in a moment. But I just want to cover your actual teaching journey first. And I read a LinkedIn post of yours, you said something which I thought was quite beautiful, "You carry your students in your head and your heart." And that kind of backs up what you're saying about bringing everything to the table. So what got you into teaching and tell us a little bit about your own teaching journey?
Elizabeth Diacos 4:08
Yeah, well, I guess I got into teaching, in part because my children have big feet. So...
Brett Jarman 4:16
As you do.
Elizabeth Diacos 4:18
We have five children at the start of every school year, we were buying their school uniforms and all the rest. And I said to my husband, "I think I need to have a career."
Brett Jarman 4:28
Got it.
Elizabeth Diacos 4:28
i can't just raise babies for the rest of my life. And so I actually, I actually went and studied Fine Arts. I already had an undergrad degree before that from before that, but I went and studied Fine Art and did Printmaking at VCA, which I really loved. And I came out of that thinking I think my ideal job would be an art teacher in a primary school because you get to see the kids and their, their wonder and the awe at the world and the way the world works and you help them to, you know, create artwork that, that brings out their own sort of their own understanding of the world or their observations of the world and express themselves in that way. And so I was so excited to be able to do that. So I actually finished my art degree, did a teaching qualification. And on the last day of that, when everyone else went off to the pub, I took my resume up to a local primary school and, and, and arranged to have an interview. So I was like, so keen...
Brett Jarman 5:30
Good for you.
Elizabeth Diacos 5:30
...and I wanted to get started.
Brett Jarman 5:32
Good for you. That shows a lot of patience.
Elizabeth Diacos 5:34
Yeah, well, yeah, it did take a while to get all that to happen. But, but the benefit of that was, it really fitted in with the family, obviously, because, you know, school holidays and all that. But it was more than that for me. I was able to share what I knew from raising my own children with my students. They know when the Scooby craze is on remember that they used to thread those little plastic sort of string things and make like, like little key rings and things out of them.
Brett Jarman 6:04
I do, yes. Yep.
Elizabeth Diacos 6:05
Yeah, I know. It was a big thing. Anyway, I knew all about them. Because my kids were right into that.
Brett Jarman 6:11
Right.
Elizabeth Diacos 6:11
So there were just you know...
Brett Jarman 6:12
Was that before iPads?
Elizabeth Diacos 6:14
Yeah. (Laughs)
Brett Jarman 6:15
Got it.
Elizabeth Diacos 6:16
Yeah, it was before iPads.
Brett Jarman 6:18
There's probably an App for that now,
Elizabeth Diacos 6:19
It wasn't that long ago, you know? Anyway, so yeah, my kids were into that I would see my students where my kids were playing basketball, I go to the shops and my kids, my students would be there. So I really became part of that community.
Brett Jarman 6:32
Right. And so what what made you decide to get out of teaching? Sounds like a source of joy for you. But, but at what point did it stop being joyful?
Elizabeth Diacos 6:41
Yeah, so it was a source of joy for a long time. But I think part of what I began to realize was that I would do things out of generosity. So, for instance, I ran an after school music program, I founded that at the school where I was working, I loved it, I'd have all the little, you know, the kids will come in after school, and they play their instruments and everything, but not and this was not really the school's fault. This was more of a, someone in the department, embezzled some money. And so they cracked down on anyone taking money for anything that didn't go back to the people who paid the money.
So we were taking money from the students like, you know, $6 a week to come to this music class after school. And I was putting that back into the art budget. And so what happened was, because of this thing that was external to the school, the whole Department of Education crackdown on any kind of money changing hands.
Brett Jarman 7:40
Wow.
Elizabeth Diacos 7:41
And so then we had to allocate that just to those few students, and not support the whole art budget. And that was a huge blow for us, because we weren't being paid, this, we were using school premises to run the class. But the lovely thing was, we got to bolster the budget for the entire school.
Brett Jarman 7:59
Right.
Elizabeth Diacos 7:59
And it meant that we could, you know, we had a kiln and we were able to buy glaze for the clay and all this stuff that we use that money for. And then suddenly, we weren't able to do that anymore. So there became just constant, it was more like death by 1000 cuts, you know?
Brett Jarman 8:14
Right.
Elizabeth Diacos 8:14
Little things all the time, extra expectations, you need to do this when I was doing it out of the goodness of my heart, and then it suddenly became part of my job description.
Brett Jarman 8:25
Right.
Elizabeth Diacos 8:25
So there was always something like that going on. And over time, it just got to the point where you know, I was, I wake up in the morning, and I sort of hesitate to put my feet on the ground, because I didn't want to go to work anymore.
Brett Jarman 8:38
Right? So how much of that relates to the career choice? Or, and how much of it you put down to the actual job, was there an option for you to find a job at another school, for example.
Elizabeth Diacos 8:50
Yeah, so so because I had also just serendipitously, I had the opportunity to work with Teach For Australia. I actually saw a lot of other schools. And I also did some relief teaching, as well, in other schools. So I have actually worked probably, as a coach, and also as a teacher, maybe in about 15 to 20 other schools. And I started to see the same things playing out, you know, the politics in the staff room, the unrealistic expectations, the narky emails, the parents complaining to the principal, all those things were happening everywhere. And in fact, because I'm in a whole lot of teacher groups on Facebook now, I can see that those things are actually playing out worldwide, not just in Australia.
So it became really clear to me that for me, because I was sort of losing my passion for it, and I could see that in order to do that job well, you really do need to be passionate. I felt anyway, that I couldn't just show up half-heartedly at work and teach children. I just didn't. It just, it didn't feel right to me. It felt inauthentic to go to school and teach and wish I was somewhere else.
Brett Jarman 10:06
Right.
Elizabeth Diacos 10:07
You know?
Brett Jarman 10:07
And so when you did decide to leave, what was your thought process and your conclusion insofar as "Okay, where to next?" Like, what? What shall I try next?
Elizabeth Diacos 10:17
Oh, yeah. So you know how I have those pictures, like a tangle of wool or something. That's what my thought process was like, it was very sort of loopy, you know, it wasn't a straight path. So, on my way, as I started to think about what I could do to, to exit, I did a Master of Applied Positive Psychology at Melbourne Uni, where I found my tribe, I really loved that. And that, that sort of opened me up to positive psychology and the just all of the research around that about grit and determination and vulnerability, and you name it, it's in there. So I really enjoyed that study. In that course, we did a little bit of coaching, just, we had a small project to do where we worked with an undergrad student, and I just loved it.
And I had another colleague who really loved it as well. And she said to me, why don't we go and do some more coaching, like go and learn how to do this properly. So she did some research, got us on board so that we both went off to Swinburne together, and did - it was four units. So it was a postgraduate qualification in Coaching. And that was really actually quite hard work. A lot of you know, intensive coaching conversations, the lecturer would listen in on them and give us feedback. And we had to coach each other. And it was, you know, a lot of practice. When I finished doing that, that was around the time that I decided to leave.
So I had this really hard conversation with my husband about, you know, "I don't want to go back." And he said, "Okay," and so then I just started practicing coaching on anyone who'd let me until I was able to sort of start to grow this what I'm doing now.
Brett Jarman 12:10
Right. It's fascinating. So what, um, what was your biggest fear about leaving teaching? And how did you overcome that?
Elizabeth Diacos 12:19
Oh, there's so many things. I mean, part of it was more not so much fear as grief.
Brett Jarman 12:24
Oh wow.
Elizabeth Diacos 12:25
That I devoted all this time and energy into something that I, you know, I thought I would love it. I thought, I thought this is it. This is going to be my, my career for the rest of my life. And, you know, like I said to you, at the start of this conversation, I thought it was going to be my dream job to be an art teacher in a primary school, I couldn't think of anything better. And so there was grief around that. There was grief at the waste of time and money and study and the hex debt and you know, the student loan debt. But what was the question?
Brett Jarman 13:02
The question was, what was your biggest fear about leaving teaching and how did you overcome it?
Elizabeth Diacos 13:05
Yeah, so my fear probably was really, we finally were starting to get established financially. I'm on earning pretty good money. And I'm going to now put the burden back onto my husband to pick up the reins again, and be the sole breadwinner while I, you know, find my feet as a coach. So that was probably the biggest fear.
Brett Jarman 13:06
Right.
Elizabeth Diacos 13:06
And he actually said, "Just do it, because I'm sick of you whining about your job and being miserable. So just go do it."
Right. So did you overcome the fear of such or did you just learn to live with it?
Yeah, I think, I think I just, I think I just had to live with it. And I had to keep sort of pushing, you know, like, even now, I mean, I still, there are days when I think "Oh, should I should I just go back in and do a day of relief teaching," you know, maybe I... But, but then I remind myself that this is actually what I'm doing now still allows me to be creative...
Brett Jarman 14:10
Yup.
Elizabeth Diacos 14:10
...in a different way. And so I'm fulfilling that need for for myself, and that my desire to sort of share that with the world. And so, so yeah, I feel like I'm, I just, I just keep pushing.
Brett Jarman 14:25
Right. Okay. So at the time that you left teaching, I don't know if there were other people doing coaching teachers how to get out of teaching. But how much of a difference would it have made for you if you'd had a coach through that process? Do you think?
Elizabeth Diacos 14:40
Oh, my gosh, it would have been so good. If I had been doing what I'm doing now. I would have hired myself.
Brett Jarman 14:45
Right, okay. That's a big endorsement.
Elizabeth Diacos 14:48
Yeah. There wasn't anyone there, I did take my resume to an HR person, a friend of a friend and she looked over it and helped me tweak that. I went to a career coach. But I don't think anyone really understood firstly, what my skill set was as a teacher and how, what a broad range of skills I had developed in that time as a bit as working as a teacher, but also they didn't get what it was like to leave something, which was almost like a calling.
Brett Jarman 15:21
Yeah.
Elizabeth Diacos 15:22
You know? So I'd had to walk away from this thing that I was really passionate about, I'd really loved. And, and like I said before, the grief of that, and also the fear that maybe this is all I can do. And so yeah, there were there was sort of so many things at play. And I talked to a lot of teachers who say, "I just don't know what else I can do. And if you could help me work that out, I would be so relieved."
Brett Jarman 15:48
Right, right. Okay.
Elizabeth Diacos 15:49
There's this real sort of sense of, they're just not sure what's next.
Brett Jarman 15:53
Got it. So um, so things have changed since since since you and I were a child, Elizabeth, like, back when we left school, a career was a career, and you're pretty much in it for life. And that would have been especially so for teachers. Whereas nowadays, like most people, they go through 4 or 5 different careers.
Elizabeth Diacos 16:09
Yep.
Brett Jarman 16:10
Have teachers been, is that, are teachers sort of adopting that mode more now? Or are they getting out of teaching simply because, yeah, so they're getting out of teaching because it's run its course and it's time to try something else? Or are they getting out just because it's, it's too hard?
Elizabeth Diacos 16:29
Yeah, so I think, well, first of all, quite a number of teachers have gone from school to university back to school. So they've actually been in those institutions, then for their entire, you know, sort of sentient at lifespan, like while they sort of were, you know, conscious. They've been in some kind of institution. So they're used to that environment where everything's like, dictated and structured, and, you know, you're told when you can eat and drink and go to the toilet and all those things.
Brett Jarman 16:59
Yup.
Elizabeth Diacos 16:59
So, for some teachers, that's a reality. And so then that's really hard to imagine a different, you know, something, doing something different. But I think a lot of teachers the motivation to, for the ones who want to leave, the motivation is really about the pressure of the workload.
Brett Jarman 17:17
Right, okay.
Elizabeth Diacos 17:19
So they're desperate to get out and they're, they're overwhelmed. They're burnt out, they're exhausted. And they're, but they're also terrified, because they don't know what what they could do. And they don't know how they can replace their income.
Brett Jarman 17:33
Got it. Fair enough. So if someone's working with you, I presume there's, there's a, there's more to it than just you being a cheerleader and say, "Come on, come on, you can do it." Like, is there a structure? Is there a framework that you work with someone to sort of help them with that transition?
Elizabeth Diacos 17:49
Yeah, sure. Yeah. So with the cheerleading aspect is actually quite important. Because often that the fear is, you know, I can't do this on my own. And so if you know, there's someone there who's got you got you back, that actually really does help. But there's definitely a structure. So when I first meet with someone, and after we have our clarity call, which is really about it, you know, a conversation to determine whether or not we would be a good fit to work together. But also, it's, it's about helping them to really get a clear picture of their current situation, often I'll get off that call and the, you know, the person I've just spoken to will say:
"You know what, I'm not ready to leave yet I can't leave for another year or two, because I really need this income," or "Actually, I feel like I haven't exhausted the possibilities of this job yet. I want to try another school or another district" or whatever. And so I go "great, you know, you know where I, where I am, if you come back to me if you still want to talk again in the future." But for the people who really decided they want to get out. After that first conversation, I would, and if they decide they want to work with me beyond that, that day, we would, I would send them some pre work. Part of that is looking at their character strengths. Part of that is also looking at their priorities for their life.
So we really start to dig deep into what makes them tick. And, and sort of, you know, rounding out like what do you want your whole life to look like? So what I do is not just help people find a new job, you can go to a recruiter for that. This is something different, what we're doing is actually working out what is the life that you want to create for yourself? And what and how can we find work that actually aligns with that, and supports that rather than, you know, see, a lot of people think that they, they they go to work to support the job, but I'm saying no, it's actually the other way around. The job should be supporting you in creating the life that you want to live.
Brett Jarman 19:49
Got it. That's perfect. So, so just to reiterate, for those who are listening, if someone gets on a call with you, it's not so that you can bully them into getting out of teaching. Its so that you can work with them to work out whether getting out of teaching is the right path for them or not, or whether there's something else that they can do to, to adjust to their environment, so to speak, if they are going to get out that it's more than just find a job and then move on, because that can be that can be a bit of a lottery in itself really, kind of.
Elizabeth Diacos 20:23
Yeah, that's right. And look, I've had clients who said, "This is this is a path I want to take," you know, path A, we work on that for a while, and then they go, actually, "You know what, that's not right for me, I'm going to do something different." And so one of the really wonderful things is saying, "Don't consider that failure, just go 'I'm going to reset that goal.'" So just reset and make, create a new goal. "Okay, we're going to try path B now."
Brett Jarman 20:48
Okay.
Elizabeth Diacos 20:48
But I work with them for long enough. So it's a 6 month program that I'm offering, so that they've got time to test their options, and to see what's going to work. And the other thing that we do is if they're still staying in teaching, while they plan out their exit strategy, I also support them in just managing their current position. So help them with classroom management, management strategies, help them with managing the workload, help them with managing their mindset, so that they actually, actually go out well, when they do.
Brett Jarman 21:27
Right.
Elizabeth Diacos 21:27
And now I think that's really important that you don't just - like, I feel like I limped out...
Brett Jarman 21:31
Good point.
Elizabeth Diacos 21:31
...like a wounded animal, you know, like, I just dragged myself out. And I was kind of bedraggled at the end. Whereas I really want to help people leave well, and leave with a sense of achievement for what they've, they've managed to, you know, achieve in their career.
Brett Jarman 21:47
Fair enough. Yeah, that's an important distinction. You want to walk out, walk out with your head held high, rather than crawling like a wounded animal, as you're saying. So so Elizabeth, you mentioned teachers in other countries before, and I know you work with teachers and other countries. What, if anything, have you noticed is different about the about the struggles they have for one of a better word? And what's the what's the same about the struggles between countries?
Elizabeth Diacos 22:14
Yeah, yeah. So I have a few clients in the US. And what I've noticed is across the states, there is huge pay disparity.
Brett Jarman 22:25
Okay.
Elizabeth Diacos 22:26
So I've talked to people who are on, you know, $25 or $30 thousand a year, and others who are on $120 US dollars. So that's, you know, the difference is that some of the people who say, like, "I want to travel" or something, they literally can't even afford to go and buy a passport. And then there are the others who much, who have a much higher cost of living, but are actually like players on the world stage - financially, I mean. So there's those those differences. I think that that's what I've noticed, particularly with the US, there's a bit of that here in Australia, but it's not as much. So one of the things is, then that means that in some cases, if people are living hand to mouth, they're really not in a position to leave their job until they've got something else worked out.
And they may not even be in a position to pay to get some help. So you know, if you're literally, you know, living paycheck to paycheck.
Brett Jarman 23:28
Yeah.
Elizabeth Diacos 23:28
That makes it really difficult. And there, I've talked to people who just say, "I really can't, I can't work with you, because I can't even buy groceries."
Brett Jarman 23:37
Got it.
Elizabeth Diacos 23:38
Kind of like, "Okay, well, that makes it really hard." So in that case, when I talk to someone like that, I will say to them, "Okay, I just want you to start doing something differently every week, like try a new thing, do go, well go a different way to work, just do something different." Because making those changes are what creates opportunities. So if you're in a situation where you can't, you know, move forward, you have to do something different. Because what you've always done has got you to where you are now.
Brett Jarman 24:05
Right.
Elizabeth Diacos 24:06
So in order to go somewhere else, you have to change that behavior.
Brett Jarman 24:09
Right. And if I remember rightly, you're so you have a Facebook group that people can join where they can, which is a community, I guess of others.
Elizabeth Diacos 24:17
Yeah, that's right. I've got a fantastic community around about the time this has been recorded, it's about 2000 people.
Brett Jarman 24:24
Right.
Elizabeth Diacos 24:24
All want to get out of teaching.
Brett Jarman 24:26
Yup.
Elizabeth Diacos 24:26
It's a really supportive community. People share resources in there. They ask questions. I am active in that group. So I try to get in and answer people's questions, help them I sometimes I'll offer them a clarity call if that is appropriate. So I'm really, you know, trying to foster a community. One of the main things people say when they join that group is thank you for providing a safe space for us because they feel like there are other groups where they can't really speak freely because their colleagues might be in there or their boss might be in there.
Brett Jarman 25:00
Right.
Elizabeth Diacos 25:00
But in that space, they feel safe to speak freely.
Brett Jarman 25:04
Right. That's good. That's important. Very good. So, um, so Elizabeth, obviously, the the podcast is is a new resource that you're, you're sort of putting out there for your community, what do you hope to achieve with it?
Elizabeth Diacos 25:17
I think for me, that the thing that I really want to do is allow people to tell their stories. So I want to connect with teachers who would like to share their story of their transition out of Education into something new. And I think part of the problem with with a lot of teachers who want to leave, but don't, is that they think it's not possible. And so I want it, I want those stories of the people who did make it possible, to to be told, you know, so to share those stories. And just something else you mentioned earlier, Brett, sometimes people don't want to leave not because, not so much, you know, because they're afraid, but just because of the financial side of it, that that often they if they are in a good income, they're like golden handcuffs, you know, they they're keeping them in the job when really they'd like to leave. And so that's something that we we try and address too, because sometimes the pay cut is worth it.
Brett Jarman 26:20
Yeah.
Elizabeth Diacos 26:20
To get, to get out and have that peace of mind. And and sometimes that's a really hard, a really hard transition to make in your mind that it's gonna be okay.
Brett Jarman 26:31
Yeah.
Elizabeth Diacos 26:31
That, you know, there'll be other benefits to getting out that aren't covered by financial security.
Brett Jarman 26:38
Got it. Yeah, yeah. And there are countless, and this obviously isn't just a teaching thing. But there are countless stories of people who have had a, had an income sacrifice of some sort, but because it comes with less stress, they they end up being so much happier because of it.
Elizabeth Diacos 26:55
Yes, yeah, exactly right.
Brett Jarman 26:56
Yeah. But of course, you're, naturally you would explore opportunities where they can either maintain income or increase it. But.
Elizabeth Diacos 27:03
Absolutely.
Brett Jarman 27:03
But at the end of the day it's a balancing act, of course.
Elizabeth Diacos 27:07
Well sometimes it's not always a priority either. Sometimes money isn't the priority.
Brett Jarman 27:11
Exactly. Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. All right. Well, I'm really excited for this, Elizabeth. You know, up until a couple of months ago, I didn't know there was such a thing as a, as a, as a coach who helps teachers get out of teaching, but I can see now you know, through, through through my interactions with you just how important it is, and how it's easy for the rest of us to simplify, "Oh, just get another job and go get it" and leave. But there's more to it than that, like the whole grief thing. It's easier for someone to leave a, to leave a career or a job that's less important to them. But for teachers, I just say they do put their head and their heart into a role.
So there's a there's a bit of extra, extra nurturing. And I'm so glad that you're there to help them through that path. You've got your podcast and your Facebook group. So we'll just give people a little call to action. So I guess the best place to send people would be?
Elizabeth Diacos 28:06
larksong.com.au/podcast
Brett Jarman 28:06
So you go there. That's where they'll find the podcasts, the subscription options, so they can get some more of those stories that you're promising that are coming down the track. And also there's a link to the Facebook group as I recall. Yeah?
Elizabeth Diacos 28:19
Yes, that's right. So I'll put that on there as well.
Brett Jarman 28:22
And no doubt on the site there's somewhere they can put one of those clarity calls that you were talking about.
Elizabeth Diacos 28:28
Absolutely, there's a button for that, too.
Brett Jarman 28:30
Okay. And that, the clarity call is free. Is that right?
Elizabeth Diacos 28:34
Yeah, that's right, a 90 minute call. So it's quite long, but it's enough time to really dig down deep into your current situation. And then to look at what you really want from your future. And I've tried to do it in less time than that, but that's how long it takes.
Brett Jarman 28:50
Okay. Yeah, well, that's, that's a really generous investment from you. And, and again, that shows your commitment to the people that you want to work with. So any closing comments from you, Elizabeth, before we wrap this up?
Elizabeth Diacos 29:01
Oh look, I think if someone wants to talk to me about, about getting out of teaching, there's lots of different ways to find me, I definitely come up on Google. But if you're afraid to do it in, there's something holding you back, I really invite you to come and have a clarity call with me because that can often be the catalyst for making that positive change in your life. And for me, what I get out of it is I get to help people co-, like co-create with people a positive future. And so I get to be the art teacher in a different way, which is sculpting lives instead of clay. And I love that.
Brett Jarman 29:37
It's a beautiful way to look at it. Fantastic. All right. So, so thank you again, Elizabeth, then and welcome again to the Experts On Air Podcast Network. Glad to have you onboard and excited about what's coming ahead.
Elizabeth Diacos 29:49
Thanks, Brett.
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